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  How do you spot a doubter ?

  by confused and lost in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all,i would like to know how to spot any doubters in my cong.the problem,as you are all well aware,is that everyone is to damn scared to openly say anything critical about the wts.so how can i ferret out any "would be doubters".any hints?

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  confused and lost

  Hi all,I would like to know how to spot any doubters in my cong.The problem,as you are all well aware,is that everyone is to damn scared to openly say anything critical about the WTS.So how can I ferret out any "would be doubters".Any hints?
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  They should pay

  by dinah in

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  2. friends

  just reading this board and seeing the effects of this religion makes me sick.

  sure those who stay in, who are spiritually asleep (imho) are okay--but what about those of us who woke up?

  what about those of us who have anxiety issues?

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  confused and lost

  (Ecclesiastes 1:15) . . .That which is made crooked cannot be made straight. . . Simple words but totally applicable to the WTS.
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  Monster on the streets!

  by confused and lost in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i've just been browsing the silent lambs website and there i find a photograph of pedo porter (ministry bag over shoulder) brazenly walking the streets,apparently unsupervised by the "supportive congregation elders".if hell doesnt exist jehovah should create it for "men" of his kind.

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  I've just been browsing the Silent Lambs website and there I find a photograph of Pedo Porter (ministry bag over shoulder) brazenly walking the streets,apparently unsupervised by the "supportive congregation elders".If Hell doesnt exist Jehovah should create it for "men" of his kind.
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  Gentile Times reconsidered

  by confused and lost in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am half way through this book by carl o. jonsson and the more i read the more certain i become that the 607bce date for the destruction of jerusalem by babylon is nothing more than a fabrication designed to uphold 1914 and hence the "authority" of the watchtower leadership.it makes me sick to think of how they have duped millions of people with their phoney chronology.it makes sitting through studies that mention these dates irritating to say the least.especially when all the heads nod in unison at the mention of the "magic 607"

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  I am half way through this book by Carl O. Jonsson and the more I read the more certain i become that the 607BCE date for the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon is nothing more than a fabrication designed to uphold 1914 and hence the "authority" of the Watchtower leadership.It makes me sick to think of how they have duped millions of people with their phoney chronology.It makes sitting through studies that mention these dates irritating to say the least.Especially when all the heads nod in unison at the mention of the "Magic 607"
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  feelings of guilt

  by confused and lost in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as some of you are aware i am in the early stages of doubting the wts as the only channel of truth.however i am assailed by feelings of guilt.am i being seduced by the words of disgruntled witnesses or ex-witnesses or am i truly doubting !

  !maybe some of you felt this way in the early stages of your "defection" from the wts.sometimes i feel as though i am rejecting god and his organization but other times i feel so strongly that the wts has misled me and is acting to control my "loyalty" by vieled threats of destruction at armageddon.you see prior to becoming a jw i had no religious affiliations.i knew nothing about the bible or god.so for 20 yrs i have only known watchtower teachings and un-learning 20yrs of this is making me so indesicive.am i doing the right thing or not ?

  my only solace is prayer.i have prayed to god to show me in some way what the truth really is.i must admit that these prayers have been the most heartfelt i have ever said.have others felt this way and if so how did they deal with it ?i would truly appreciate some feedback.

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  confused and lost

  As some of you are aware I am in the early stages of doubting the WTS as the only channel of truth.However I am assailed by feelings of guilt.Am I being seduced by the words of disgruntled witnesses or ex-witnesses or am I truly doubting !!Maybe some of you felt this way in the early stages of your "defection" from the WTS.Sometimes I feel as though I am rejecting God and his organization but other times i feel so strongly that the WTS has misled me and is acting to control my "loyalty" by vieled threats of destruction at Armageddon.You see prior to becoming a JW I had no religious affiliations.I knew nothing about the Bible or God.So for 20 yrs I have only known Watchtower teachings and un-learning 20yrs of this is making me so indesicive.Am I doing the right thing or not ? My only solace is prayer.I have prayed to God to show me in some way what the truth really is.I must admit that these prayers have been the most heartfelt I have ever said.Have others felt this way and if so how did they deal with it ?I would truly appreciate some feedback. Thanks,Steve.
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  Jesus became King of God's Kingdom in 1914.

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i think back on the last 45 years of my life as a jw, it truly is remarkable.

  how i as an intelligent person could have believed all of the things that the wtbts.

  taught as doctrine and then for myself to teach others the same doctrine.. we could all give examples of this, however i was just sitting here drinking my coffee.

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  This whole 1914 thing has been based on the fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE,however I have been researching this date recently and after several headaches am no where near understanding how the WTS can use this date.After a recent visit to my "million pound state of the art library" and reviewing several books on Bible history and archaeology the date givin is never 607BCE but 586/7 BCE.Interestingly in the book "The Bible Gods word or mans" on p 48 reference is made to the Babylonian Chronicle to show that archaeology supports the biblical fact that Judah was subjugated by the Babylonians and Jehoiachin captured.What isn't stated is the date givin in this chronicle namely 598/7 BCE.The chronicle then mentions the appointment of Zedekiah as king.As Zedekiah reigned for 11 years untill the overthrow of Jerusalem simple maths shows that this must have taken place c.587/6 BCE not 607 BCE.Also it has to be noted that the WTS accepts some dates from these chronicles i.e. 539 BCE as the date of Cyrus defeat over Babylon but conveniently rejects other cuneiforms that do not fit in with their date setting theories.Is it any wonder that genuine truth seekers are questioning the claim of the WTS to be the "faithfull and discreet slave"
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  so many nut cases are JW's

  by fresia in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have seen so many jw's that are fruit loops, i'm not meaning clinical depression or mental illness, many are just balmy, they seem to be off tap.

  i would estimate that 1 in 4 are off their head.

  disruptive behaviour and trouble makers, gossipers and out right rude, so many seem to have problems out of the normal, many i find are backward, maybe that is the one way street of indoctinization.. what experiences have any had..

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  According to the book "Jehovahs witnesses-a contemporary religious movement" by Andrew Holden "...the WTS undoubtedly appeals to isolated individuals with narrow social horizons".Sounds suspiciously like the GB to me !!
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  WT in the business of selling cars????

  by observador in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just received an email from a friend with pictures of what seems to be a wt-approved or wt-connected used car business.. this friend is telling us that the cars being sold are those previously used by circuit overseers.

  he's giving us some links and pictures, but i haven't had the time to investigate, so i thought to put them up here for discussion.. the web address of the business is, quite appropriately, www.circuitleasing.com.

  here are the documents made available by this acquaintance of mine:.

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  We had a letter to the same effect read out at the service meeting here in the UK.No doubt if you buy a former CO's car your status in the congregation will take you up another rung on the spiritual ladder.lol
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  first seeds of doubt

  by confused and lost in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just before this weeks book study i happened to say to my wife ,(in a matter of fact sort of way),"that judge rutherford was not a very likable character".i then "dropped in" 1925 and the foretold resurrection of the prophets aswell as some other stuff i had learned about rutherford.i then casually alluded to other dates such as 1799,1874 and 1975.her response was that "they were a fickle bunch".she then said in all seriousness "do you think its right ?

  ",meaning did i think that we are in the "truth"i had to curb my enthusiasm to tell her exactly what i thought,figuring that a- little- at- a- time approach would be best suited to my purpose.hence the first seeds of doubt have been sown.

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  confused and lost

  Just before this weeks book study I happened to say to my wife ,(in a matter of fact sort of way),"that judge Rutherford was not a very likable character".I then "dropped in" 1925 and the foretold resurrection of the prophets aswell as some other stuff I had learned about Rutherford.I then casually alluded to other dates such as 1799,1874 and 1975.Her response was that "they were a fickle bunch".She then said in all seriousness "Do you think its right ?",meaning did I think that we are in the "truth"I had to curb my enthusiasm to tell her exactly what I thought,figuring that a- little- at- a- time approach would be best suited to my purpose.Hence the first seeds of doubt have been sown.
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  Help needed desperately !!!!!

  by confused and lost in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi,i have just registered here because i need someone to talk to in a way that wont end me up before a jc.i have been reading a lot of stuff recently about the wts being false prophets and the like.i also hate the fact that there are so called "spiritual" men out there who abuse their positions to molest children.i have been a witness now for 20yrs but instead of feeling spiritually alive i feel totally and utterly confused.i do not know which way to turn.anyone out there who feels the same ?

  share your thoughts with me ..please and help me unburden myself to someone.

  thanks for reading.

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  confused and lost

  Hi,I have just registered here because I need someone to talk to in a way that wont end me up before a JC.I have been reading a lot of stuff recently about the WTS being false prophets and the like.I also HATE the fact that there are so called "spiritual" men out there who abuse their positions to molest children.I have been a witness now for 20yrs but instead of feeling spiritually alive I feel totally and utterly confused.I do not know which way to turn.Anyone out there who feels the same ? Share your thoughts with me ..please and help me unburden myself to someone. Thanks for reading.